The number of “left” voters in this community that are doing their damnedest to get Trump elected never ceases to disturb me.
The number of pro-genocide centrists who accuse anyone who doesn’t love genocide as much as they do of being trumpers will never surprise me.
Saying they are “pro-genocide” is beyond hyperbolic.
These type of extreme, over the top comments hurt way more than help.
These type of extreme, over the top comments hurt way more than help.
Hurt what? The tender fee-fee’s of pro-genocide centrists? If they don’t want to be called pro-genocide, they should stop supporting genocide. If they don’t want to be called pro-genocide, they should stand firm on literally any other issue. But they fucking don’t. Everything else is up for negotiation. Everything else is fertile ground for capitulation. Not genocide. That’s the only thing centrists won’t budge on.
damn right
Harris could easily at this point make her own platform to run on that includes what the voters are asking for
her refusal to acknowledge the voters’ concerns is very telling
The way Harris refuses to court her own voting base never ceases to disturb me
Ftfy.
Its not on voters. Voters will do what they will do. Its on politicians who we vote for. Also I will be voting for Harris and also protesting at every event where I can to demand this apartheid and genocide to end.
Stop making Israel an election issue and worry about your own damn country. If you want to vote on Israel’s future move there, become a citizen and vote. But you live in the u.s, put down your world police badge and vote on your country’s matters. If not a single one of your leaders and candidates supports an issue, IT’S NOT AN ELECTION ISSUE.
YOUR TAX DOLLARS WILL BE USED TO MURDER CHILDREN AND THERE’S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT NOW GO VOTE FOR THE GENOCIDER LIKE A GOOD CITIZEN
Funny, suddenly you all care that your money is being used to kill people. You cheered it when it was my people. Now you morally grandstand and wonder why some of us think you Americans are hypocrites
You cheered it when it was my people
Yeah dude, we all got around a fire and jerked eachother off about it
And there it is, colors shown true.
The US is an oligarchy in everything but name. The average voter doesn’t want this policy, but that’s not what matters for Harris. That’s not what matters in an oligarchy.
What matters is the few with means, not most.
The numbers I have seen state that about 60% of Americans support Israel, with 25% unsure which side they support in the conflict.
60 percent support it’s existence. Support for them blowing up Gaza is far lower. Conflating the two is a common Israeli propaganda theme. Even to declaring that Hamas would genocide them if they didn’t do this.
How many thousands of women and children were simply LIVING in their homes when Israel voluntarily and with full knowledge of their civilian presence dropped a 1,000lb JDAM on them to eliminate a singular HAMAS target or two?
Look I’m voting for Harris but I really, really dislike how she goes into explicit detail on the events of October 7th but doesn’t go into explicit detail on Palestinians crushed, decapitated, blown in half or to bits by explosives, maimed, shot, and yes sometimes raped by IDF.
This double-standard of evocative imagery is in itself pretty disturbing.
How many thousands of women and children were simply LIVING in their homes when Israel voluntarily and with full knowledge of their civilian presence dropped a 1,000lb JDAM on them to eliminate a singular HAMAS target or two?
Fuck the men that didn’t want to die, I guess
Women and children are generally given as examples because they’re widely perceived as unambiguously not combatants compared to men by most people.
Nobody’s saying "fuck the men that didn’t want to die". If someone says "how many women and girls were simply living their lives when they were sexually assaulted" and your immediate and only response is "so what, no one cares about men and boys who were sexually assaulted?", can you see why that’s kind of a nonsensical conclusion to make?
Exactly. Pretty obvious because it leaves no low-hanging fruit for an Israeli apologist to say something like, “those men were probably Hamas.”
It just makes for a more tight and rhetorically effective argument.
Bad faith argument. Be better.
If this bothers you then vote for some candidate and party other than Harris and the dems.
I like PSL.
Why? So that Trump ends up in office and does worse?
No, because the only thing elections track is approval. If genocide is too much for a person to approve of then they need to vote for a different candidate.
Why can’t we just vote for the biggest leftist party with the most ballot access? Ya know, the green party
I will generally not recommend people vote for or support the greens because they represent a directionless triangulation with no vision.
I’ve had the opportunity to vote green in every national election they’ve been in and even chosen them a few times and they’ve always let me down.
It’s that kind of attitude that weakens the left. If every leftist were involved with the greens, we could create a truly revolutionary party.
perhaps by changing the party into something entirely different from within. of course that would require a lot of work to overcome 25 years of institutional inertia, let alone a big job of completely changing the party’s strategy and operation.
i would even make the argument that the greens aren’t left, since they aren’t calling for worker control of the means of production and historically that’s been the bare minimum to be considered left but using the french seating chart hundreds of years later has its own issues.
Well I don’t see nearly as much ballot access from the PSL or any other minor party. Maybe we should make a new party that’ll lose popularity to the next one in 5 years. No party will ever be leftist enough for leftists in this country and that pretentious mindset will keep us weak forever.
How does that saying go? “If ballot access were candy and nuts we’d all be eating steak!”
There are absolutely ultras in America but it’s not a position necessary to recognize that the Green Party isn’t leftist. I’d say at the very least the greens can’t be called leftist for the same reason the dubious moniker “progressive” isn’t any marker of the same: their platform is explicitly not left.
They are the leftist party available.
propaganda from both parties keep people at the bottom of the juice pitcher unable to breath fresh air and there are too few not drinking the punch to do anything
huge crab effect going on here
like when you go crabbing and put all the crabs in the bucket and the crabs that almost get out get stopped by their peers
Terrible idea. A better plan is vote progressives into congress. The presidency literally doesn’t matter. Congress gets to dictate almost everything the President can do.
I guess if you don’t care who gets in then yeah.
I’m personally past just voting for the “least bad” candidate no matter how that’s determined. It’s candidates I actually want from here on out.
You do that. And if/when Trump wins and gives Netanyahu the ok to turn Palestine into glass then turn it into luxury apartments for violent Americans, and he does, then those people’s blood will be on your hands. Remember that.
It’ll be my fault… why?
Will it be because I’m responsible for the choices my government makes? Wouldn’t the blood also be on the hands of the “progressive” voters? The Harris voters?
Because every vote counts, and there are only two possible outcomes.
Buddy, you know why. You can pretend online that you don’t understand it, but I know you’re smart enough to get it, and deep down, you know that what I’m saying is true.
Either you feel emboldened to say it because it looks like Kamala might win, so therefore you think you can just throw your vote away, or you know exactly what you’re doing.
I’m old enough to have been able to vote in the 2000 election. Is the blood from 600 thousand Iraqis on my hands too?
If I were choosing the vote that makes me least responsible for the genocide in Gaza wouldn’t I choose a candidate who opposes it in both word and deed?
If what you said were true and I really was responsible for the actions of my government through my vote, wouldn’t it make sense to focus on getting voting records from diebold or whatever so you could use that information to target your vitriol at the people most responsible for this nations cruel actions?
I don’t think you’ve seriously thought what you’re saying through.
