I’m aware, but the situation is still better for Gazans than it was before the ceasefire. Fuck the genocidal state though.

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Maybe because the preservation of human rights and life should be pursued regardless of who the President will be tomorrow?

So how is that compatible with the 2+ years of funding and supporting genocide?

the current ceasefire was negotiated by the Biden administration

Source? I feel like you just make this up. It was enacted literally the day before the inauguration wasn’t it? Why enact a ceasefire the day before the inauguration of your political opponent after 2+ years funding the genocide and talking about Pissrael’s right to defend itself and arresting students at campuses for protesting a genocide?

Also, there are a lot fewer Palestinians in Gaza left to shoot, so it would make sense that the numbers went down.

God you guys are fucking vile, trivialising stuff like that and pulling out bullshit arguments. The ceasefire is ongoing, that’s the reason why orders of magnitude people are being murdered, not a lack of Palestinians to be genocided. Nazis ramped up their industrial elimination of “Untermenschen” when they saw they were losing, despite “fewer left to shoot”.

There’s an ongoing ceasefire, trump is all words, but you’d know better if you actually cared about Palestinians more than performatively. The daily deaths are much lower so far than under democrat administration. This is surely not thanks to trump’s good desires for Palestinians, he’s as much of a genocidal ghoul as any American politician, but the numbers are the numbers

Technically it’s actually less, there’s an ongoing ceasefire. Hope it lasts, but no hope tbh, Trump definitely doesn’t care about Gazan lives.

Can’t hear them over the sound of the bombs they send

Edit: to everyone who upvoted the guy below and downvoted me, check their latest comment in the thread. In case they delete it:

Well, you might recall that the funding was approved by Congress, and Presidents should be impeached and held accountable for overstepping those bounds, like how trump was impeached for withholding aid to Ukraine in 2016. Furthermore, Israel is a long term ally, who suffered a brutal terrorist attack in October, and they are in a precarious situation, as their neighbors are not found of their existence, so we have to toe the line between supporting our ally, but also resist genocide and ethnic cleansing. Turns out, geopolitics is not simple.

Well you clearly see it doesn’t work. Saying "there’s someone worse* CLEARLY doesn’t mobilise people to vote repeatedly against fascism. Almost as if, hear me out, fascism has never historically been beaten through electoralism. What we need is to organize in leftist communities and organisations, create dual power structures, protest hard and support labor rights, and struggle against fascism through direct action instead of voting once every four years.

Keep blaming the people who warned you that the democrat strategy of lesser-evilism wouldn’t work.

Literally ALL the things you’ve mentioned could have been fixed by democrats, and 2/3 were actually electoral promises… I dont know how you expect people to keep voting for the lesser evil if the lesser evil is a deceptive and genocidal party

because people should vote on excitement and engagement, not truth

What part of the genocide wasn’t true at the time of the elections?

reactionary populisms fueled by false promises

Like codifying Roe V Wade? Like closing Guantanamo?

If they have a shred of civil responsibility

Civil responsibility is voting for the party that pretends to care about Gazans while carrying out a genocide and funding Israel.

because people should vote on excitement and engagement, not truth

What part of the genocide wasn’t true at the time of the elections?

reactionary populisms fueled by false promises

Like codifying Roe V Wade? Like closing Guantanamo?

If they have a shred of civil responsibility

Civil responsibility is voting for the party that pretends to care about Gazans while carrying out a genocide and funding Israel.

OP mentions genocide

Response frames it as entertainment

90 million people didn’t vote, and MANY didn’t because of the nonsense you’re promoting.

Uh… These people didn’t vote not because or my nonsense, but because the democrats are incapable of producing a candidate or policy desirable enough to make people vote for it. People are exhausted of voting lesser fascist and they don’t vote. We’ve just been predicting that this would happen, that without a turn to the left, the democrats would lose. They didn’t turn left, they lost, maybe listen next time.

Now, since you don’t live in America

Sadly, the US lives in all of us through the constant miserable propaganda and international policy. Since the US policy affects me, I have a right to an opinion on it, don’t be a chauvinist

I didn’t vote because I’m in the EU lmao. Trump isn’t my fault.

You say it was never the objective to have protest effect anything electoral

Not by results, but by swaying the electorate left and making the democrats realize that without leftism they lose. Dem voters and the leaders refused to listen, the results are in, accept it. There weren’t enough people saying “kamala and trump are the same, genocide isn’t an option” to make the dems lose the election, the dems lost it by maintaining 50 million people at home not voting at all by being genocidal freaks that offer no improvement to the working class.

You can cry all you want about how it’s “ackchually the left” who made you lose the elections, but that was the dems themselves running on a right wing campaign as shown time and time and time and time again. You can only run on “being slightly less bad than fascists” so many times.

You don’t protest with the holes of having no effect on something

We hoped to influence you libs on acknowledging the genocide and making it clear to the democrat administration that no ceasefire no votes, but you failed to do even that. You literally don’t understand anything other than elections and election results, no other possible strategies than voting for Milquetoast fascism instead of outright fascism every 4 years. And even then, you freaking lose said elections.

And no matter the answer- your little protest voting fucked everyone

Again, the numbers say otherwise, but go live in your alternate life where hexbear and .ml have 20 million votes lmao

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All the people saying “you should have listened to us!” and, “We told you this would happen!”

Liars?

Not liars, just unaware that, outwards (i.e. internationally), there is no difference in policy between democrats and republicans. Now, what are you gonna do, bash to the left of you (the ones who actually organise to fight against fascism), or join us?

I’m claiming that protest voting wasn’t a significant factor in trump being elected, unlike democrats running on having the, I quote, “most lethal army in the world” during an ongoing genocide, bringing the Cheney, and a myriad of other problems. The dems only have themselves to blame for being incapable of offering a better, more desirable option than Donald J fucking Trump

And allowing Trump to return to power is stopping the genocide how exactly? Because at this point it’s getting worse

Uh… Big news, fella, there was a ceasefire. Kamala openly said during campaigning that under her rule America would always have “the most lethal armed forces in the world”.

As both of these options cannot simultaneously be true

They absolutely can. Protest voters not voting don’t encompass every democrat vote lost, there are simply many unconvinced people who became apathetic and didn’t vote despite having nothing to do with protest voters, with the latter being a minority. Stop your logical fallacies based on false premises.

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