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“There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.” - Mark Twain

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    10 months ago

    I wasn’t trying to suggest you were defending him and I apologize if it came off that way. My point was mainly that, while celebrating violence isn’t a good look in polite society, it isn’t morally abjectionable in an objective way and I won’t fault people for it. Just as I wouldn’t criticize a rape victim for celebrating their abusors death. While not as direct or severe as rape (hopefully), many people on this site were victimized by his rhetoric. Even if they weren’t directly, maybe someone they loved was.

    To add to this, I also think that the reason so many of us in the west abhor this behavior is because we have state sanctioned and state monopolized violence. It is acceptable to celebrate this violence because it is done under the authority of the state, they are allowed to be violent to us and to foreign peoples and we are allowed to celebrate that. Many of us do because that violence is beneficial to them. People celebrate police and military violence all the time. What’s horrifying, what we are taught to be horrified by, is violence done by us against the interest of the state. This cannot be acceptably celebrated. Maybe we shouldn’t let it be so scary to us. Maybe that mentality is incredibly beneficial to the people who control our lives.

    Violence is a tool, it isn’t good or evil. Sometimes violence is deeply liberating and I think it’s okay to celebrate that. Independance days are a very common holiday and many of them were won through violence.

    As an aside though, I do condemn the murder of charlie kirk. Not because it was violent and murder but because it was adventurism and deeply irresponsible. Individual acts of violence like this, while gratifying, have proven to be detrimental to liberatory movments.

    I hope this helps you understand my perspective