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  • plyth@feddit.orgtoPolitical Memes@lemmy.worldCurious
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    11 months ago

    Why is the burden of building trust on NATO when Russia had just gotten done occupying and oppressing half of Europe?

    There is no obligation for it. It would just have been the complementary option to including Russia into Nato. The chosen third option has led to where we are now.

    why don’t you articulate the point you’re trying to get across

    The US have an interest in keeping Russia small. Some actions can also be explained by Russia trying to limit external influence.

    If you’re claiming Russia’s atrocities against Ukraine, Georgia, Chechnya, Syria, (and everywhere they’ve sent the Nazi mercs Wagner is all to keep power, you’re insane.

    Maybe I am insane but I didn’t make that claim. Maintaining some level of power that is too much for Nato membership doesn’t imply offensive actions. Furthermore these involvements came after the window for Nato membership.


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    11 months ago

    Why abandon the military alliance when you don’t know if the enemy is truly gone?

    To build trust.

    Russia does this shit because the Russian gov is imperialist

    Russia is also the prize. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard

    but the Russians must have objected to being treated like any weak economy. This should be the actual reason why Russia is not part of Nato.

    Idk what you’re even trying to say here

    Suggesting that they wouldn’t dismantle their power to the point that they get a regime change for independent politics like nationalizing the oil industry.


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    11 months ago

    at no point in NATO’s existence had inviting Russia into the fold made any strategic sense.

    Nato after 1991 also didn’t make strategic sense with a crumbled Russia.

    What about all other countries not being part of a strong military alliance? Why do only the most prosperous and strong countries feel threatened?

    Either dissolving Nato or inviting Russia would have created the opportunity to fully implement the idea of the UN and leave conflicts behind.

    The problem is that we also have Capitalism. The UN doesn’t limit the power of billionaires. That’s fine within the West but the Russians must have objected to being treated like any weak economy. This should be the actual reason why Russia is not part of Nato.