We really are not beating the dead internet allegations with this one

Cool. What does that have to do with their history and the way they are treated by the west? You know so much, can you tell me that? What do you suggest should be done about it? Just to clear things up, so I’m not “putting words in your mouth” by literally repeating what you said verbatim and responding to it.

Also its “virtue signalling” now to insist people be treated with respect and that their material reality shouldn’t be dismissed? wtf??? As you said, we have the same “ignorance and cultural failures” in our society. Do we deserve to be bombed and occupied?

Huh??? Did I say anything about that? Does this racism excuse anything we’ve done to them? Seriously, project much?

What the hell should we do about it, fucking invade them again? Continue blockades that don’t even achieve their stated purpose and just make things worse for their people? Cause that’s gone over so well… the only real interaction with most foreign nations being that of sanctions, acts of war and colonization, arbitrarily imposing their own values, and constantly talking down on them both as a nation and as a people, definitely is going to make them love foreigners.

It’s not an “excuse” brother it’s just material reality, why do I have to be “excusing” anything? Is it too much to treat them like humans worthy of a basic level of respect??

Let’s talk excuses though. It’d really be no fucking wonder if they hate us like you say they do. You would hate foreigners too if they talked about you like that and preyed on your downfall the way western nations do to the DPRK. In fact you’ve shown very clearly that you have the exact same hate which you’re trying to condemn here. Calling their home a “shithole”, your only response to a very brief overview of their history not being one of understanding or empathy but simply to lash out and call them racist, which I can only assume is to imply they deserved it. What’s your excuse??

Wow, a country that experienced harsh Japanese colonial rule from 1910 until being forcibly divided by the US after the second world war, creating a war-torn pariah state facing crushing international economic sanctions, is a shit hole? Color me surprised!

She said she’d continue pressure that wasn’t happening? Wow, what a fucking saint.

Former Israeli ambassador, Michael Herzog, made a startling admission about Biden’s support: “God did the State of Israel a favour that Biden was the president during this period. We fought [in Gaza] for over a year and the administration never came to us and said, ‘ceasefire now.’ It never did. And that’s not to be taken for granted.”

Biden never pressured Israel for ceasefire, as Israeli officials boast of exploiting US support

For the first four months of the Gaza war, the Biden administration opposed a full ceasefire, instead opting at best for a temporary “pause” to facilitate the delivery of humanitarian aid, which was briefly achieved in late November 2023. Biden said earlier that month: “a cease-fire is not peace… every cease-fire is time [Hamas members] exploit to rebuild their stockpile of rockets, reposition fighters and restart the killing.”

A senior member of Israel’s negotiating team said in April that “Since January, it’s clear to everyone that we’re not conducting negotiations. It happens again and again: You get a mandate during the day, then the prime minister makes phone calls at night, instructs ‘don’t say that’ and ‘I’m not approving this,’ thus bypassing both the team leaders and the war cabinet.”

Throughout this period, Biden refrained completely from publicly calling out Netanyahu for explicitly sabotaging the talks.

On May 5, Hamas accepted the April proposal with reservations and amendments, but before the Israeli negotiating team got to formulate a response, Israel’s prime minister rushed to denounce Hamas’ position as “delusional” and ordered the immediate invasion of Rafah on May 7.

Biden, who had promised to halt arm supplies to Israel if it violated his “red line” of invading Rafah, decided to instead suspend one shipment of MK-84 2,000-pound bombs to Israel and nothing more.

After lengthy negotiations, on July 2 Hamas accepted an updated Biden proposal with minor amendments, particularly relating to assurances that the ceasefire would lead to ending the war instead of a mere pause, according to multiple senior Arab and Palestinian officials involved in the talks. Hamas were informed that the US and Israeli negotiating team were both on board. However, a few days later, Netanyahu issued four new “non-negotiable” conditions that mediators and even Israeli security officials saw as intentionally sabotaging the deal. The conditions were: resuming the war after a pause “until [Israel’s] war aims are achieved”; no IDF withdrawal from the Philadelphia corridor between Rafah and Egypt; Israel would restrict the return of over one million displaced Gazans to the Northern half of the enclave; maximizing the number of living hostages to be released in the first phase.

In August, ahead of the Democratic National Convention, the US opened a renewed round of negotiations, having received Iranian and Hezbollah promises of refraining from retaliation if a deal was reached.

Instead of building upon Biden’s proposal and pressing Israel to compromise, the Americans simply incorporated Netanyahu’s four impossible conditions as “a bridging proposal.” They attempted to entice Hamas to the table by getting Israel to reduce its veto on which Palestinian detainees it would release in a deal (Hamas presented a list of 300 heavily sentenced individuals, “the VIPs.” Netanyahu vetoed 100 names, including Marwan Barghouti, and insisted on only releasing prisoners with less than 22 years left in their sentence. The Americans lowered this veto to 75 names then 65 in August, per a senior Arab mediator).

As soon as the DNC ended, Biden blamed Hamas again for the failure of the talks, and effectively stopped trying to get a deal, with US officials declaring in September that a ceasefire deal has become unlikely during Biden’s term. Since then, the White House has attempted to re-write history and promote an official narrative blaming Hamas for Netanyahu’s systematic foiling of the talks.

The Biden Administration’s False History of Ceasefire Negotiations

Sorry to make you read more than the first sentence of an article. In fact I suggest you read the whole thing, since I picked out these quotes pretty arbitrarily. I know you won’t though, because you probably think you’re immune to propaganda so long as you only read the “right” news that just happens to be entirely in agreement with both you and the status quo that has allowed a genocide to happen before our eyes.

Lol. I’m talking about the party as a whole. The ones you speak of that use their power to put down revolution and progressive candidates like Bernie alike, but appear “powerless” to do anything else like “stop fascism”. What interest does that party have in stopping fascism?

See, it’s not a dynamic where they are all-powerful in one aspect and powerless in another. It’s that their interests are very heavily weighted to the first aspect, and that informs their behavior.

So tell me, why should they care? Why should they go out of their way? They won’t be the ones directly affected and in fact it’s a great campaign tool if their opponent is openly fascist. Not to mention the money being made off of it. If they get accused of allowing fascism to take root they can just say they were powerless to stop it, and you fuckers will believe them. Tell me how this isn’t a net positive for anybody, without an identity that lands them or their loved ones directly in the crosshairs (i.e. the vast majority), that has a ruling class position in society?

What legitimate personal interest do establishment democrats have in stopping fascism?

Can we stop saying this? This might have been the case 10 years ago when conventional bulbs were the better established headlight standard but they’re coming off the line like this these days. It has nothing to do with the housing and everything to do with the height they sit at, where they’re aimed, and the brightness.

I’m really sorry you feel that way, genuinely, but this deeply antisocial sentiment is not a depiction of a reality that is compatible with human life. Please seek help from a qualified professional. I mean that.

I disagree strongly and I don’t think you get what I’m saying. It’s not a competition and there’s no need to dismiss the feelings of one side or the other. If you are a man, and especially if you are occupied by a specific focus on men, you cannot know the extent of women’s loneliness or the impact that it has on women. The same goes vice versa. The issue is too nebulous, too subjective and complexly intertwined with too many different aspects of our lives as humans. It’s a fool’s errand.

It doesn’t matter who has it harder, because the root cause is the same. Addressing this root cause will help every person experiencing loneliness in the modern age regardless of gender. Any other solution is just treating the symptoms and will inevitably result in people being left out and marginalized. People who matter. It will inevitably result in division, which hurts our ability to unite and fight for a common cause.

This stoking of a needless war between the genders is a counter-revolutionary tactic employed by the ruling class to keep us fighting amongst ourselves instead of challenging their power. They want us focused on pushing forward half-measures; measures that can be easily struck down, agitated against, that will keep us going in circles; measures that do not fundamentally challenge the systems that created these issues in the first place and, in fact, depend on the persistence of these issues.

I don’t think the loneliness epidemic is uniquely male though. It’s an affliction of this entire generation. There is a specific subset of men that have been radicalized against women as a scapegoat for the loneliness they feel, but the true cause is increasing social alienation driven by capitalism. The specific mechanism not being limited to the commodification of our attention that has been enabled by the advent of high speed internet.

Reading isn’t your strong suit, is it?

So you understand that the Democrats willfully lost the election by supporting genocide; that that was the choice they made as a party, and the voters’ response to that decision was a very predictable one; but you still have energy to debate anyone who would dare to criticize and take the same principled position against them?

Doesnt mean I want to bring genocide home.

Oh, I see. It’s okay as long as it’s over there. Well then Trump’s genocide should be fine because you didn’t immigrate over the southern border. Resistance is not necessary, go home everybody. Everything will be fine as long as we all make sure to vote as hard as we can!!

whether they understand it or not

If such a thing can be done without understanding, how do you know that you aren’t the one who has been pushed to the right and that you aren’t doing the work of dragging others along with you?

Surely nobody thought of this 20 years ago when George fucking Bush was in office. Or 40 years ago when Reagan was in office. This idea of pushing the liberal party left and running locally is a totally fresh and original idea and definitely isn’t a distraction from organizing the working class into a force of its own which demands concessions from the ruling class at the threat of upheaval.

Hows it feel to simp for a party that can’t get a 3% advantage on donald fucking Trump? If that was our only option and we are effectively voting at gunpoint then there never was any “democracy” to protect.

I love how democrats with no interest in catering to their base of voters are super effective at preventing third party and progress candidates from even getting on the ballot or in front of voters, so you can sit there keep saying they have no chance of winning. I love how liberals will excuse voting for the genocidal maniacs you’re convinced are your only option because you’re comfortable enough under this system that you’re willing to work within it and turn your cheek to all of the violence it commits at home and abroad.

You only care when the genocide comes to your front door, what about your fucking neighbors who are getting evicted and thrown out of their homes because their housing is too valuable to somebody else’s monetary interests to just let them live there in peace? What about the homeless, the working poor, the food insecure, the largest prison population on the planet who coincidentally are legal to use as slave labor? Are they not worth fighting for as long as you aren’t the one on the streets, working for starvation wages, or in prison? In 20 years, are you going to get a “progressive” in office that will offer platitudes about actually treating those people like human beings as they do next to nothing about it? Capitalism requires us to live under the threat of homelessness, of imprisonment, of starvation. Our government is completely captured by capitalists who will not allow you to vote this away, because without this level of coercion their system will collapse. All they have to do is make you believe you are not being coerced, and if anyone is then they deserve it actually, and that is precisely the role played by our two parties.

A better world is possible, but it sure as hell isn’t going to come about through any “solution” sold to us by those who collect vast power and profit within the world as it is. THAT is today’s problem, the refusal to recognize where power lies and what interests it has. Not the third party voters who already see the system for what it is and always has been. Not the ones who are struggling to bring an end to this system that is designed such that its only material interest is in finding new ways to remove our rights and boosting candidates who will carry that out.

I thought it was sweet corn

A place down the street from me makes an elote pizza; which is Ricotta, a shredded cheese blend, corn and cotija cheese, pickled red onions, cilantro and tajin.

Everything you know about these “shitty dictatorships” has been told to you by a media and a government that has a direct monetary (and by extension, power) interest in maintaining and legitimizing the current system you live under. They are free to lie to you as long as they make it believable enough. Not to mention how the ruling class would have profited immensely from assimilating the resources and labor of these “shitty dictatorships”. When that fails, they will profit by generating war and weapons contracts.

This is accomplished by lying and manipulating half truths in order to call them “shitty dictatorships” that need to be dealt with through military action (and destabilization via propaganda and collective punishment to make conditions favorable to accepting capitalism as their way of life). They must justify their actions to the American people in order to generate the least friction within their system, but when it does generate friction, they do it anyways, because their power ultimately lies in capital and not in the people’s opinion of them. This is often when things turn to fascism, but let’s be honest, it’s not “not fascism” just because it’s done in the light of polite society.

This is unique to imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism, which “shitty dictatorships” like China do not practice. China takes advantage of western capitalist’s greed to fund their socialist project, but they are not themselves capitalist. They are in what they define as their first stage of socialism with Chinese characteristics, which has already lifted millions out of abject poverty. The presence of a market-based economy does not make a system capitalist, just as the presence of social welfare does not make a system socialist. Being openly vigilant (which likely means far less than you imagine it does) to intentionally subversive western propaganda does not mean they can’t be democratic in far more meaningful ways, without the burden of constantly re-hashing information that has already been proven faulty.

We are the last people that should be telling China how to run their country and media. Because, in contrast,

Americans are, of course, the most thoroughly and passively indoctrinated people on earth. they know next to nothing as a rule about their own history, or the histories of other nations, or the histories of the various social movements that have risen and fallen in the past, and they certainly know nothing of the complexities and contradictions comprised within words like ‘socialism’ and ‘capitalism.’

Chiefly, what they have been trained not to know or even suspect is that, in many ways, they enjoy far fewer freedoms, and suffer under a more intrusive centralized state, than do the citizens of countries with more vigorous social-democratic institutions.

This is is at once the most comic and most tragic aspect of the excitable alarm that talk of social democracy or democratic socialism can elicit on these shores.

An enormous number of Americans have been persuaded to believe that they are freer in the abstract than, say, Germans or Danes precisely because they possess far fewer freedoms in the concrete.

They are far more vulnerable to medical and financial crisis, far more likely to receive inadequate health coverage, far more prone too irreparable insolvency, far more unprotected against predatory creditors, far more subject to income inequality, and so forth, while effectively paying more in tax (when one figures in federal, state, local and sales taxes, and then compounds those by all the expenditures that in this country, as almost nowhere else, their taxes do not cover).

One might think that a people who once rebelled against the mightiest empire on earth on the principle of no taxation without representation would not meekly accept taxation without adequate government services.

But we accept what we have become used to, I suppose. Even so, one has to ask, what state apparatus in the “free” world could be more powerful and tyrannical than the one that taxes its citizens while providing no substantial civic benefits in return, solely in order to enrich a piratically overinflated military-industrial complex and to ease the tax burdens of the immensely wealthy.

Also *waves generally at the current state of things in the US*

So no, you haven’t.

Have you considered a world where power is based in social welfare instead of capital?