Meh. I think the logic I present is simple enough to follow,

It is, and it’s not an invaluable to lens to look through.

I’m not discouraging additional thought, rather dismissing more complex models that muddy the proverbial waters.

By saying ‘that’s it’, you absolutely are discouraging additional thought. You are confidently saying that that is the only possible lens to view things through.

At an extremely basic level, another lens is the anarchism vs communism lens, i.e. one of distributed decentralized systems, or one of controlled centralized systems. And there are numerous other lens that you can view the left/wing right/wing divide, on top of the fact that that divide varies wildly by region.

Saying ‘this oversimplified thing is the way it is, stop thinking about it’ is fundamentally a fascist message.

Do some self reflection.

Lol, a thought terminating phrase isn’t an argument.

I’m not saying they were, I’m saying you are.

‘That’s it’ is the fascist thought terminating part.

It does not invite further inquiry or scrutiny, it acts like that’s the only possible lens to view left wing / right wing through, when at its core, left wing / right wing is a massive oversimplification of literally the entire population’s political views into a binary us vs them pattern.

It’d be like dividing the entirety of the animal kingdom into birds and not-birds and saying ‘Birds have wings, not-birds don’t have wings. That’s it.’

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No, just pointing out that oversimplifying things and then using a thought terminating phrase to make it sound like you made a conclusive point is what fascists do.

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There are lots of ways to think about it. Saying ‘think about it this way, that’s it, stop thinking about it’, is fundamentally a fascist message.

The US is a shit hole country.

Enjoy spiralling the drain together.

You have very few guns being snuggled into CA

Shut the fuck up. Literally almost all of the guns used to kill people here come from your fucking shit hole embarrassment of a country.

Don’t minimize our issues because you shit your pants every fucking day and pretend like it’s normal.

Gun ownership is a cancer on society, and America is becoming a fucking cancer on the world. Clean up your own fucking mess, and stop encouraging people to do the gun equivalent of literring because you’re a cowardice wreck. Use your guns to oppose your oppressive government, or shut the fuck up about guns being a necessity to oppose government oppression.

Hungary has kept Orban in check through just showing up in the streets, but Americans think they’re special snowflake children who need point and click murder machines they won’t use to enact change. It’s a fucking embarrassment.

I’m Canadian, where 90% of illegal guns are smuggled up from the US.

Your mess is fully in our lane.

Make a relevant argument, or keep your mouth shut. No one needs to hear you talk other than you.

Gang violence is not a gun issue. It’s a educational, safety nets, and jobs issue.

Omg, so the US is the only country that ever experienced a lack of jobs?

Oh no! How I could be so stupid and forget that the US is a unique special snowflake child that doesn’t experience any of the same pressures of literally any other country on earth!

Grow the fuck up amerocentric child.

Yes, I see it differently. Notice how literally every single other country in the entire world doesn’t do what the US does?

And there it is, the same disingenuous that the right uses for thier bullshit causes.

It’s not disingenuous in any way shape or form.

You have basically said that children killed in gang shootings don’t matter. Try not to throw right wing shade around when you’re parroting their racist talking points about which people do and don’t matter.

A pool has no use, you cannot use it for defense or putting food on the table.

Lmao, bruh, it’s this niche little exercise called swimming, you might have heard of it. Try and pull your head out of your ass before pointing us to all the examples you have where ICE has been stopped by people with guns.

On top of that, the stats in the child deaths include 15-19 year olds, most of which are from gang shootings, not random 5 year olds being shot.

Yeah. So?

More children drown every year in pools than by gun deaths, yet no one is screaming to outlaw pools.

I do not understand why gun nuts cannot fathom the difference between something that has utility and can result in death, and something that serves no function other than being a point and click murder machine.

If you remove all guns, there will still be a thing that is number one.

The children who are not gunned down will not be killed by something else. It just lowers the overall death rate.

“Needlessly” is extremely undefined. Lots of things occur that are needless or claimed to be needless.

No it’s not. It’s defined in relation to the child death rates of peer countries.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2820614

Guns are the number one cause of death for American children, after automobiles, and America already has a higher automobile death rate than virtually all it’s comparable peers.

Since 1999, 400,000 American children have died needlessly.

Yes, I know, do that, or save to do it sooner, or see if you can get low interest financing to do it.

There’s a difference between ‘oh this house’s outlets are mounted lower than code says these days’, and ‘most of the house is missing a core safety wire that’s been part of the code for 50 years’.