Interaction with you is worth less than the cost of a downvote.

Not s’bad.

Is this Cassidy McCree?

You’re talking about La Folette and Wheeler? I don’t remember anything they advocated for being too bad, but I haven’t looked at their proposed policies in a long time. Wouldn’t that be natural of a truly progressive movement, though? What was “progressive” one hundred years ago should hopefully be status quo, and what’s progressive now could scantly be imagined back then.

Current.

As the bartender, she had cut-off and 86 authority. Act sideways with a bartender, find another place to drink. But when the creeps are your “peers” I think it’s tougher to navigate.

The lack of votes for Harris did that.

What I’m saying is not about faithless electors. I never mentioned them, so I’m not completely sure what took you down that road.

There is a legal definition of the term “president-elect” that hasn’t entirely been sorted out. The most widely accepted view is that the candidate who has the majority of EC votes cast for them, regardless of whether those votes have been counted or certified, is legally the president-elect. The nuance to this is that any reference to the president-elect before EC votes have been cast is using the common term, not the legal one.

The distinction is mostly inconsequential, one major exception being the 20th amendment, which you cited previously. That particular usage is specifically the legal definition, which very likely has not been satisfied until the EC casts their votes. The outcome is that, if those who are meant to uphold the law have any interest in doing so, the 20th amendment does not yet apply, and the legal roles of president-elect and vice president-elect are currently vacant.

Citation needed.

We (probably) don’t have a president-elect yet, only a presumptive one. The EC votes have been neither cast nor counted. The most likely point in time at which a candidate becomes president-elect is when the majority of the EC votes have been cast for that candidate, regardless of the counting and certification. Even though we use the term loosely for the assumed winner, the EC adds a layer of weirdness to the legal definition.

Piss is not sterile.

Piss is not sterile.

Analogy is not good, either. But kudos to anyone still trying to make it work.

Once the bar is lowered even further? Yeah sure, why not? Everyone will.

I don’t know, you’re toying with the idea of mass fraud with no real basis. Seems counterproductive at best.

Highly, highly doubtful

Uh huh, there I go again? This suddenly shifted from a reasonable conversation to bad faith rhetoric. This is collectively the fault of everyone who made piss poor, ineffectual efforts to stop it as a unified bloc. That encompasses a lot of folks. But as long as you have the specter of “they did it, not me” then I guess it’s easier to avoid speculation as to why we all can’t win.

I’m as guilty of that by saying that aligning with the larger contingent was the best way through, I suppose. But failing to even make a reasonable effort was beyond the pale. I didn’t want the outcome we got, but far too many leftists and progressives seemed comfortable with flirting with disaster.

Did you envision a worse outcome than the one we got? Because, for me, it was the most unfavorable situation. Working backward from that, it seemed self-evident that the clear path to avoiding it was to throw in with the only other viable option.

Anything else, any more complex assessment of the choice that was given to us, invited in division. The fascist platform was “fuck you” and everyone to the left of that was more concerned with the etymology of the phrase or the moral implications of flipping someone off than firing back with “no, fuck YOU” and sorting out the details once we found out whether or not there were enough of us who didn’t want to be fucked.

Equally a shame that so many to the left of the Dems felt that their faces could use a little spiting and went straight to work on their noses.

Regardless of what wagon we arrived in, we’re all here now. And we’re quite short on options that will improve our circumstances.

I’ve heard that progressive policies are quite popular and get people to the polls.

It will stay with you forever, and you’re smart enough to know it.

How many progressive candidates gained seats in this election?

You are pushed from the 10th floor some time in the next week, or you are pushed from the 10th floor immediately and shot after impact.

Which is better?