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  • I should have added “Scientific consensus”

    I don’t think that changes anything. For example, I’m not a nutrition expert, but it’s an area I’m very interested in and I consider myself reasonably well read on the subject. I still have no idea what the scientific consensus is on anything in the field, especially when so many papers end with “we know jack shit about this, but at least this study moves us forward a little bit”.

    If you don’t have knowledge, and don’t know where to start, then it’s not your place to convince someone else

    I’m talking about areas in which I do have the knowledge. It’s not a reasonable expectation for someone else to go through the same process that I did to gain all that knowledge. I can scream “CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL BECAUSE LOOK AT THESE EXPERTS” as much as I want, but the other party will still have no way to verify my claims, or that these experts are actual experts and not some cherry-picked scientists.


  • go where the consensus is

    I’m pretty sure that’s what most people are doing already. If everyone around you says climate change is a hoax, then that sure sounds like a consensus.

    This is one of those questions that keeps nagging at me. I have the resources to actually go and learn about things and build a sufficiently large world model to filter out a lot of BS. But in areas that I’m less well versed in and that aren’t covered by my world model, I realize that I have no idea who the experts are or how to find the consensus without doing tons of reading. If I’ve read enough to determine the consensus position, then I’ll have absorbed enough of the material that I can be considered somewhat of an expert myself. So how can I possibly convince someone else without making them go through that whole process themselves? You probably don’t have an answer to this, but any ideas are welcome too if you happen to have any to share.





  • how much of a chance

    A non-zero chance. If you have a better idea, I’m all ears. The only alternative I’m hearing is to give up, and that guarantees your chances to be zero.

    You know it’s more difficult to go to two different protest events on the few days, you just don’t support the things that are necessary to enact change because you are a good serf.

    Protesting is just one of many ways of building the movement. A protest tells you that there are others ready to take action. It creates conversation and an opening to talk to the people around you about it. Being at the protests is always good, but it’s not the only way to help a movement.

    I’m not sure if I understood what you were saying. Regardless, I think my response makes sense for at least two possible interpretations of it.



  • howrar@lemmy.catoPolitical Memes@lemmy.worldSo many solutions
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    As individuals, I think the best course of action is to build a movement behind a common goal. Talk to the people around you. Talk to people online. Break up infighting and bring people together on their common grounds. When the movement becomes big enough, then everyone rebels simultaneously. One person rebelling is one life thrown away for no gains and one less person in the movement. Everyone rebelling together is what leads to real change.

    Are there any organizations taking direct action?

    That’s you. Organize and talk to others. You will eventually find others also organizing towards the same goal. Merge your efforts and you have a larger organization. Rinse and repeat.