Aww, someone is grumpy that their weak attempt to make me seem like a violent racist backfired

Go back to reddit if you want to get mountains of upvotes for saying Kirk was a champion of the people. We don’t do fascism here.

I don’t need to, as we aren’t disagreeing. Same spirit, difference in phrasing. Everything is good, no need to infight

I’m not going to presume to know what a black man assassinated by white supremacists would think about his people still being murdered and treated as second class citizens for the color of their skin, and resurgence of racism in America just shy of 60 years after his tragic killing. Though I’d have to think he’d be appalled at how controversial it is to call for a swift end to those perpetrating it.

What I do know is Kirk is quoted saying that black people had unsufficent brain power to hold positions of leadership in society and that the civil rights movement was a mistake.

The fact that you think both of these people and their viewpoints deserve equal defense and respect says a lot more about you than it does me.

Prominent leftist ideology and writers don’t glorify gun ownership or turn them into identity pieces, but they absolutely do see their value for attaining and protecting rights. A lot more leftists own guns than people realize, they just don’t advertise it to threaten and intimidate like fascists do. Many of our rights and freedoms only came about because people were willing to actually fight for them. This is a famous Marx quote: Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.

There’s no putting the cat back in the bag, so we may as well regulate their access and provide education and training for their use before they can be owned, as well as how to effectively avoid their use in the case of defense, and mitigate the damage in the aftermath of their use.

“I’m a staunch ally of Kirk’s abuse victims. I just also happen to believe that Kirk deserved a long safe life without violence so that he could effectively develop the propaganda justifying their genocide!”

At worst, you’re a fascist agitator trying to stir the pot in a leftist space for entertainment. At best, you’re a whiny limp-dick centrist who will throw anyone under the bus to make yourself look like some holier than thou moralist. Either way you’re enabling the regime and I’d mourn your death about as much as I do Kirk’s

Guarantee you don’t spend anywhere near as much effort defending minorities, LGBTQ, or gun violence victims as you do white christo-nationalist terrorism advocates. Wonder why that might be.

Fuck off, you nazi defending piece of human garbage. Charlie Kirk deserved what he got and the only unfortunate parts about his death are how fast and painless it was, and that he isn’t around to see how quickly his nazi wife took his money and ran off to start fucking a dude with a fetish for duvet covers

Thank you for telling me my lived experience of sexual abuse is ridiculous and again reiterating that you think I don’t understand SA, which means my viewpoint is wrong. Very appreciative of that. You should definitely take pride that you “won” an argument on the internet in that way.

1. I never claimed all people with mental illness are criminals or rapists and you know I did not.

2. I never claimed that pedophilia isn’t a legimate mental illness.

3. I never disagreed that it requires professional treatment and monitoring, and in fact advocated for that treatment multiple times as that user continued to double down on pedophilia being fine as long as its not acted on.

4. Pedophilia is not a fetish, nor is it in any way similar to a fetish, and you are well aware of that. Trying to relate it to one is concerning and you might want to reconsider using that as a debate point

Clearly you believe I have wrongthink and don’t understand SA. I guess I just didn’t internalize my own experienced abuse correctly enough for you. I’ll make sure I more carefully consider the position of abusers and their advocates in the future before I call them out so I don’t upset them, it really is inappropriate of me to be disgusted by sexual abuse and the normalization of it, you’re right.

If someone rapes a child they are a fucking pedophile, and if someone fantasizes about sex with children they are fantasizing about fucking rape.

These semantic games you want to keep playing make it abundantly clear to me that you have a serious problem and are desperately trying to justify to yourself that you don’t. Nothing you can say to me will change that.

You need to go get professional treatment before your thoughts turn into actions, because you are sick.

It just “irritates” you when people talk about it because it’s “not illegal”

Fuck. Off.

My advice would be to stop trying to talk your way around pedophilia being problematic, because it is and it does cause harm regardless of your personal feelings on it. Or continue and get your account nuked. That honestly would be best for everyone.

Again, if you need help, seek it out before there are more victims.

Edit: Posting a screenshot of their original comment in case they try to edit what they said and make me look like the one with a problem here

It was not hostile, you just don’t want to read it because you know you’re rightfully being called out for saying some fucked up shit.

As a victim of SA myself, my advice would be to just fucking stop trying to normalize it and move on, go get your head back on straight.

In the United States, the country relevant to this topic and the aggressors and victims involved, this is called Statutory Rape. It is a crime.

I’'m not sure why exactly you chose me to direct this to, but it seems dangerously close to you being upset and defensive that I used the term pedophile negatively.

If something I said offended you, seek help immediately before you harm someone.

This post is about teenage girls (at the oldest) being raped by adult men and a vile woman spouting propaganda to protect them, and you’re in here talking about age of consent and sleeping with someone in your age range.

If I had to guess you aren’t actually defending pedophilia, you just might need to take a massive step back and realize what you posted was weird as shit in context. The difference between your situation and that of the epstein victims was violence, exploitation and sexual abuse. Though even lacking that, I don’t believe teenagers can truly consent to sex with adults regardless of what the law says. There are power dynamics in play that are unhealthy no matter how its spun.

I’m saying this as someone just scrolling through with no stake in your argument with others in this thread, just thought you should probably get some perspective.

Incredibly relevant discourse for the current US political environment

Apologies for reddit link, can’t upload video directly in a comment on lemmy. The information this individual covers is absolutely vital for understanding modern politics in the US, and needs to be common knowledge if the US is ever going to recover from the exploitation that has led us here.

Most on lemmy will already be aware of the basics covered here, but for anyone confused as to why dems always choose failure in the most frustrating ways, this will explain it for you. This is why we need to support actual progressives who refuse to be bought and paid for.

That literally is how America works, or is supposed to. We elect people to make these policies and laws on our behalf, or lobby for them if their position doesn’t directly allow them to. Mamdani is not running for emperor, he is running for mayor of NYC. Mayors do not create federal or state law.

If you don’t understand politics, you should educate yourself on the basics before you go off and look like a jackass. There is literally nothing wrong with being silent and humble until you understand a topic well enough to speak on it.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/06/gavin-newsom-breaks-with-democrats-on-trans-athletes-in-sports-00215436

https://lalgbtcenter.org/vanguard/press-releases/statement-governor-newsom-betrays-queer-and-transgender-californians-with-health-budget-cuts-says-los-angeles-lgbt-center/

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/newsom-urges-california-cities-and-counties-to-ban-homeless-encampments

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2024/10/07/governor-newsom-statement-marking-one-year-since-hamas-attack-on-israel/

Nowhere near as hard as you think it is

Newsom is a transphobe, hates the homeless, supports Israel, and thinks we need to continue Kirk’s great work.

That guy, out of 8 billion, is your champion of freedom and democracy? Because his 19 year old intern mocks Trump on social media?

Edit: Go ahead and keep down voting me. I know what I stand for and support. You putting this half-nazi on a pedestal for the most vapid hollow shit is not the moral superiority you think it is. People look at the US and call us fascist inbreds who should be quarantined precisely because vaguely center right posers like Newsom are supposed to be some paragon of American progressivism. Shit is embarassing.

Yep, fentanyl. Thing is, its all BS. The reality is, cops just like to use the drugs they find and when fent started getting cut into other drugs, like cocaine or meth, the cops were ODing and had to come up with a cover story. Hence the myth of fentanyl being an Uber drug developed by antifa trans leftists to kill our heroes started.

Fentanyl can be dangerous, but it’s used in medical settings often. It does not kill you in infinitesimal amounts through contact or sight. I used to work in an ER / Trauma center, and we laughed our asses off at how fucking dumb that copaganda was when the stories first started dropping. It was obvious what was really happening.