This is as reductive as when people say religion is what causes all wars. Humans cause war. Race, religion, nationality, money, power,etc. All of them,and more, have been used as pretexts for war.

They already had the Golan Heights. They just yoinked a buffer zone for their buffer zone.

Hope they have free parking lol.

So Democrats won with people who were invested in keeping Trump away from Presidency and failed virtually every other demographic?

That’s a very interesting take I haven’t heard of before. My understanding was that a primary reason Russia invaded Crimea was due to the oil reserves there that Russia wanted. I guess it extends beyond that.

What in the past 13 months that has happened makes you believe the Democrats were holding the Israelis back?

The escalations we’re going to see over the coming months were going to happen with a Republican as President or Democrat. The past 13 months has shown Israel can get away with virtually whatever they want. They were never intending on stopping regardless of the outcome of the election.

Well it’s not like Biden/Harris actually tried for a ceasefire. There’s really not much change other than the quiet part being said out loud.

You bring up a good point regarding the Jewish voters but there’s still strong evidence that claims she would have gained more than she would have lost. There’s a lot of hypotheticals regarding this situation and some factors that don’t come into play like the lobbying money that the Harris campaign would have lost and the crap Trump would have said (other than what he already did). So I’m sure we can talk about this topic for a very long time.

If Vice-President Harris were to demand an immediate ceasefire that would allow unimpeded aid into Gaza, such a move would be strongly supported by her voters while being opposed by only a scant number. A detailed view of the cross-tabulations shows significant gain and very little risk for Harris by taking this stand - including very positive outcomes and few negatives among most key groups, including a plurality of Jewish voters. It would also win her the support of a plurality of those voters who are currently supporting third party candidates or who remain undecided.

Overall, if Harris where to take this stand, her vote tally would increase from 44% to 50%.

The same results hold true if Harris were to suspend arms shipments and withhold diplomatic support for Israel until there was a ceasefire and withdrawal of forces from Gaza. Such a stand would also increase her support from 44% to 49%

Aside from that, I just wanted to say that I remember you and I had a brief conversation in the Political Discussion community a few weeks back and you mentioned how much Trump and MAGA had affected your personal life. I just wanted to say I’m sorry you’re going through this again and wish you the best, for whatever it’s worth. Neither of us wanted another Trump presidency (and I’m not even American), and I hope the next 4 years are good to you.

I thought the same as well, for a time at least. I’m not sure if it was just me being hopeful or what. I got the impression that she was slightly more sympathetic to the whole situation than Biden was for sure though. That being said, I definitely think her stance hurt her more than helped her. There’s polls saying she would have won a lot of votes in several swing states if she changed her stance. And we know that the war was unpopular with majority of Americans, especially Democrats. My guess is that lobbying money seemed to good to pass up. It’s shitty that the world has to deal with a fascist wanna-be dictator because of these kinds of stupid situations and decisions.

Well hopefully it continues and this incident doesn’t make the city reverse it. Thanks for the added context.

Is this a new measure for Portland? I’m guessing people didn’t know about it? The link doesn’t really give details.

Me too. She’s like a Bernie 2.0. She deserves a lot of respect for standing up for what’s right.

I feel bad for AOC. She has to work with people daily that actively and vocally wish her harm and who have a rabid cult as followers. She honestly has a lot of guts to do what she does and say what she says. She is one of the few in Congress who actually deserve to be there.

The problem with it is that it was more or less the same thing Biden said and it’s been abundantly clear Biden does not care for a ceasefire. The Arabs wanted more than that. They wanted her to admit that what Israel was doing in Gaza and Lebanon was wrong. They wanted her to say that she would take a firmer stance than Biden would on Israel. They didnt want her to say that she supports Israels right to defend itself, or for Tim Walz to say he supports Israels right to expand its borders, or even to campaign with Liz Cheney. The icing on the cake was Bill Clintons very stupid attempt to justify Israels killing of civilians a day or two before the election. What she said clearly wasn’t enough and she repeatedly ignored them as well as the DNC actively trying to silence them.

I believe she did end up taking a slightly firmer stance a few days before the election, which is likely due to her not polling so well. I’m not sure if your quote is from that time or from before. But I think a lot of Arabs saw it as “too little, too late” kind of thing.

She didn’t have to condemn him, she could have just said “I feel we should be doing more and take a firmer stance saying that genocide is not ok”. Something as simple as that would have rallied a lot of the Arabs to her side.

This is going to get removed. You might want to post this to the political discussion community.

No he won’t. He gets paid too much not to.

Edit: For those of you who don’t believe me and are just downvoting me. Biden has received more money from Pro-Israel lobbyists than any other Senator in history.

Lol “leftist American”. You mean a right leaning moderate?

Very true. But it’s not like he doesn’t have an endless supply of those idiots already.