Okay, let me lay out my thought to you in a longer and more boring way: humans have been idiots with no regard to consequences of their actions throughout their history, so anyone interested in fixing any problem caused by how they act has to replace current population with more evolved (read: mature, intelligent and sensible) one, there can be no other way and wasting time on anger against this or that social framework is very foolish

Lol. No point in talking to you, noted. Have a good day

Humans are have been killing each other over pettiest things for millenia before capitalism. So an ~ism is not the root problem

Always has been. For those making fun of OP because “can’t get it done with only peaceful means”: helping someone can mean “go and beat those fuckers down up whatever”

Someone woke up? Good thing and welcome

Me looking at Idris Elba as Heimdall: damn good, give me more

Ok, let’s make some things straight first:

• when I say “innovation”, I mean new ideas. To have more people who have more new ideas, we need to bring them up by supporting them and empowering them to explore, not by trying to contain them in some kind of framework (which means I am also against bullshit like “we fucking need communism, or else everything is fucked”, but this detour would have taken a separate paragraph)

• when you talk about investment, infrastructure and such, you mean building something. That is application, and capitalism has to do fuck nothing with how effectively this goes.

Now, using extra bandwidth given by technology to build more technology - what kind of closed circle that is?

This actually leads to a better quality of life for everyone

It does not. Right now I am more comfortable than many kings in the past, but I am not happier. Apart from this, there has been any number of miserable kings. Comfort is not a good life

And all those people working on innovation aren’t’slaves

Ha. Flash news: people who do the hard work of coming up with something new, building prototypes and figuring out how to scale all that are often forced to do that, means include blackmail and any kind of dirt move there is

But they wouldn’t put in all that effort if it wasn’t a job that they needed to do to support themselves

Nu-uh. In case you didn’t know, some people are so passionate about something they don’t care if they die tomorrow or whether they smell awful. Effort they put in some field - extraordinary still. In case you didn’t know again, what one has to do to survive and what they actually enjoy and are good at are often very different things and even spheres of life

Edit, addition:

I really don’t see how we can effectively run a society where people don’t have to work, where people just do what they want

We can start at really good social programs (the kind where society reaches for you when you need help, not tries to punish you when you have already gone crazy aggressive and where bad faith actors are sought for and dealt with accordingly), and yes, I did not say “all should just do what they want”. To make the latter part work, “what they want” should be alligned with “what is needed for everyone”, which takes a certain and high enough level of maturity. Humanity can get there, but there are steps to be taken first, like good education, universal housing and nourishment, then add universal physical development, then add universal entertainment (of course, crafted to make everyone involved more balanced). And all along this road, whatever I can afford to give someone who can plan these things and make them work, I am willing to give. Not because I will survive better myself (“afford” means my survival is taken care of), but because someone will benefit from that

Nah. Innovation comes from within humans, not from some bullshit competition (no offense meant for you, as you are not the author of this idea)

Normally people should not have to work. We are well past the stage when it was simply undoable

Lol. Explain how you got that idea from my words

Bullshit. If I can provide for someone without them needing to do a thing, I am fine with it. If I ever get a say in how things are done, never will I agree to what you propose

Lol. Patient variant: once again, yes, all of it is also work. No, to do that one does not have to dedicate their whole lives to it. No, asking a miniscule of collective time and effort is not entitled

Normal variant: dude(ss), you seriously gonna complain about minimally covering survival of some folk while having families with wealth enough for several generations to live fucking awesome without any need to work a second in their life? Are you nuts or something?

Lol. “I organized and fought back, so now what has already happened is magically not my responsibility anymore”? What kind of magical thinking is this?

So you want every single one American who looked around and said “this is fucked, we should never be doing anything like this” to suffer. For something they never even agreed with. Just like so many people around you

Tell me: what fucking good end does this serve, huh?

Uhm. Military following illegal and obviously traitorous orders is way bigger a problem, because whoever gave this order is not going to outlive the military and how they function

You guessed wrong. I think blaming any kind of -isms and not looking at what exactly is going wrong and what to do to make things better won’t land anyone in a better place

Because these only happen in capitalism. Yeah, sure. Wanna buy a bridge?

I could joke out of this, but why the hell. Yeah, by my best account I will still be here afterwards also. And we could use this brief moment to make what comes next better than current prognosis of “nothing good, lad”

Or more violence directed at those who deserve it. Will make things more bearable for a brief moment

Yup. I am having hard time (decades already) facing this reality. It is ugly as hell (any hell, for that matter)

Dafuck are you talking about?