I’m having a hard time believing you’re coming at this discussion in good faith. But by all means explain why you think I’m a fascist.

lol

You’d rather dismiss everything I’m saying under the pretense of me being an undercover fascist then rethink your world view.

Good for you.

Why are people on this website so obsessed with defending the democratic party. I don’t understand what they are trying to accomplish.

I appreciate the level headed take.

Because we can’t save Gaza immediately

What do you mean by this? That the president can’t or that voters can’t because their choice is voting genocide or worse genocide?

The dems have been taught a lesson

Based on the response of the media, and elected democrats, no they haven’t lol. They’re blaming the left.

but their conscious is clear, somehow

I think this is reductive and does not acknowledge why many people did not vote democrat.

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I disagree with your assessment but appreciate your civility, as well as the fact that you acknowledge how obsessed people are with blaming undecided voters.

The stats I’ve seen show that Gaza was actually a significant issue in some swing states and absolutely could have improved Harris’ chance at victory.

not unless Americans are getting killed

Many Americans have family members who are being killed in Gaza. Not to mention the risk of American troops being deployed increases as Israel becomes more and more belligerent.

Many Americans are also horrified at the fact that their tax dollars are being used to commit a genocide.

Nope, we’re here. Stop blaming voters and blame the democratic party please and thank you.

The stubbornness of liberals is honestly impressive.

Imagine being this confidently wrong.

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I agree with you except for the blaming Trump voters part. I’m not going to pretend I think anyone who voted for Trump was informed or made a good decision, but I have some understanding of how they got to that decision.

Libs blaming voters are almost certainly: young, college educated, and privileged. I too am all those things, but I’ve tried to expose myself to the experiences of people who are much different than me. In doing so I’ve learned how their learned experiences inform their politics, and how someone like Harris (and the democratic party in general) did absolutely nothing to appeal to them.

Trump acknowledged their suffering and gave them a scapegoat to blame. Harris did not counter that narrative, she did not acknowledge their suffering, and she did not offer them anything that might improve their lives. All she had to offer was the idea that Trump was a fascist. She was right obviously, but Trump being a fascist is an abstract concept to understand, “immigrants are making your life worse” is very easy to digest.

And liberals really hate to hear that the democrats ran a garbage campaign. Shit goes both ways my dude. Expand your viewpoint and try to consider why someone would be unable to vote for Harris instead of calling them idiots.

Liberals are so fucking obnoxious.

“How dare you vote your conscience”

Seriously go fuck yourselves if you think this. I’ve tried to reason with these people but they aren’t willing to put themselves in the shoes of someone who couldn’t stomach voting for Harris. Grow the fuck up, expand your viewpoint, and stop being a condescending prick on the internet, I fucking beg you.

If you’re on the internet insulting anyone who didn’t vote for Harris, you are the reason we’re in this situation. You and your ilk are the reason the democrats can run a right wing campaign and then blame leftists when they (predictably) lose. It’s honestly fucking pathetic.

Sorry I’m just getting so fucking tired of these people.

I don’t think he actually has as much power as people are implying. I think the reason he was able to influence this election was because most undecided voters didn’t like either candidate very much, and so having someone like Joe Rogan sit down with Trump and humanize him was something that probably had a noticeable effect.

I think that if Harris had actually run a campaign that actually addressed the needs of the average person she would’ve won easily and we’d be laughing at the fact that Trump was so desperate for votes he went on Joe Rogan.

K cool. You’ve made an assertion, listed absolutely nothing to back up what you’re saying, then called me closed minded for not sharing your opinion.

I’m far from the only person to have this opinion, and far from the most qualified. But if you prefer to stick your fingers in your ears and call anyone who disagrees with you closed minded by all means continue.

Dude I was locked in to the election for months, you’re blowing smoke out of your ass.

Go watch Jon Stewarts election recap. He has a montage of democrats saying shit like you would expect republicans to say.

She ran on having a lethal military, a secure border, and $50k for small businesses. But by all means show me receipts of her progressive campaign and I will happily concede my point.

It’s really interesting to me that you didn’t list a single one of her policies.

Absolutely. Bernie Sanders is incredibly popular (on both sides) and Joe Rogan actually endorsed him in 2020. All this talk about Joe Rogan winning the election for republicans is hilarious when you think about it.

Sorry but I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.

The overwhelming sentiment I’ve seen on this website is that voters are stupid and should have voted democrat. I’m asking people to focus their energy on what they can actually change. A third party is not realistic. Pressuring the democratic party is hard, but it’s not impossible. They caved to pressure and swapped out Biden.

I’m not saying I have the answers, but I know for sure that laughing at how stupid republicans are is counter productive.

You are not going to win 2028 by making fun of republicans. Honestly you look pathetic to me. You’re on lemmy shitting on republicans as a way to make yourself feel better about losing the election, it’s sad.

Pick yourself up, wake the fuck up, and spend your energy on something that is actually productive. For example, holding the democratic party responsible for their shitty policies and absolute dog shit campaign.

This is the most libbed up comment I’ve ever seen.

Y’all are fucked until you figure this shit out.