You’re right, it’s a growing problem all over.
Its the result of individualism, reinforced by suburbia, car-dependancy and social media.
US narratives dominate the western mindset and curtail revolutionary energy by incentivising selfishness over community.
American Exceptionalism - ‘a third party never works’ is nonsense.
Trying to figure something else out means you will do nothing except entryism and be co-opted into the Democratic Party for your aesthetics.
No I’m just acknowledging that you’re coming off as a troll.
I’ve discussed this with the necessary nuance plenty, I just get annoyed with this tribalism that ‘Lemmy.world’ users seem so insistent on.
Because it comes across as blatantly disingenuous, like an intentional division tactic to stifle discussion. (See: calling everyone who brings nuance to the discussion a ‘tankie’)
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Right? They keep acting like the DNC couldn’t have done anything better.
Right?
It’s the party that lost the election, by their choices… Blaming voters is pathetic.
These two trolls are wasting everyone’s time, lemmy.world seems to be infested with them.
And I notice a trend with Lemmy.world users…
Vile liberal troll farm.
Yeah and including “Hey fascist, catch?” every one of them is a groyper meme…
Every, single, one.
As if the world can stand up to the USA, you must stand up from within…
The dems won’t learn, I didn’t say they will.
I am not saying that not voting for the dems is ‘fine’.
I’m talking about spending your energy appropriately.
I’m saying you can hate the ones who didn’t vote if you want, but it’s a waste of your energy. Voter apathy and disenfranchisement is the fault of the party, not the individual, is what I mean by the entitlement to the vote.
If there are the perpetrators (djt voters and the literal ghouls), the victim are necessarily the remaining group. Just because there were those disenfranchised, doesn’t mean those are the perpetrators, no they are also victims. Just like those who voted against it.
Usually, the party in power loses the election, rather than the opposition ‘winning’ per se on merit out right. They lose it by losing their support through their own actions, or public perception of their actions (which they should be trying to influence). So how did the dems lose 2024? Unless it was stolen which is, quite possible.
You know, like I know, the Dems won’t necessarily learn the right lessons from non voters. I’m not arguing the merit of not voting.
The Dems will only change when they rally around something they see as winning them support. But the only recent example of this, Zohran Mamdani who has huge public support, is being fought with more gusto by the majority of Democrats than they have ever fought DJT.
If the Dems had some policies that they held and didn’t compromise on, and didn’t show such obvious contempt for their constituents during the election season, maybe they would have done better. Not to mention not listening to the consultants who seemingly intentionally tanked their campaign.
Anyway, not here to argue, I don’t disagree with you, I read the other thread here after I left my comment and I agree with you on a lot. I just think if you should hold contempt and hate in your heart for anyone, it should be the perpetrators.
Because if you don’t hold them in contempt, but instead hold other victims in contempt (even if they didn’t vote or voted something silly), then you are essentially reinforcing the bad behaviour even further.
People aren’t motivated by ‘vote for us, we wont do anything tangible, but the other side is super bad’, as much as I would have hoped. They are far more motivated by ‘vote for us, we will do something tangible’ even if the one saying that is lying blatantly, as long as the vibe is confidence.
I agree people should have voted kamala to prevent what’s happening now…
But for progression now, nothing about shaming the voters disenfranchised by the Democrats is worthwhile.
The Democrats were never entitled to any votes, they shouldn’t have been so conceited as to tank their own popularity with conceit in the interest of capital.
The ones who voted for trump are to blame in the immediate for sure, what’s happening right now in the US is tragic. But to be so myopic as to pretend that’s all that matters is foolish.
You say that as if half of the people in their home country don’t want to do the same shit?
This isn’t a tenant of ‘the left’ but rather of liberalism.
Deference to law, police and morals that adhere to the legality of action are liberal brain rot, only the left in so far as the right is fascism.
Being on the left often carries pacifist sentiment but deference to legality and unwillingness to act is a liberal tendency.
I just looked through all of that and there’s nothing as you describe from her campaign itself. Even outside of her campaign there is only lip service and commemoration for the victims of the pulse terror attack.
Unless you count saying trans people should receive medically necessary treatment as supportive? It’s a literal non-statement, words that mean very little, her support here is aesthetic at best.
Because no Gen Z sees 50$k towards a house and is impressed. That offer alone shows such a ridiculous disconnect between the dems and the populace. Yes that would be beneficial for a very select minority of Gen Z, but for the vast majority.
Not close to helpful, radical or on level to Trump’s promises (lies).
They want sweeping change, they expect politicians to lie and embellish. If the politician offers something so minor when they are expected to embellish then the avg voter probably expects even less or nothing at all.
At least significant promises can get people excited. Even if they are obvious lies to those paying attention. Sad reality is vast majority of people of any generation pay almost no attention whatsoever.
I think people seeing her message might have helped. But the difference maker would have been a message people actually want to get behind. That would have spread organically.
Now whether the DNC was cooked either way following the publics perception of Bidens term is another thing. But a strong message will always prevail - even if it is a lie.
Nonsense, Kamala had 0 left leaning policy and also never mentioned trans people in her entire campaign. She tacked to the centre further than Biden on every single issue, not disputing your other anecdotes but you are seriously misled if you think the Democrats are anything except centre-right.
Republicans who want to round up minorities, prevent women from having the ability to abort fetuses that result from rape, and prevent any and all lgbtq people from existing in public.
Calling them the lesser of two evils shows you have no fucking clue.
That or you are lying like most right wingers and centrists.
‘Oh I have to be a nazi now because you called me one 😭’
It certainly was that obvious if you pay attention how we do, but don’t you see how blaming the populous takes this from an actionable problem to a less actionable one. ‘Improving’ the populace requires a concerted effort and time, both of which are lacking…
Surely it would be better to blame the bullshit artists stirring the pot than the general public. That is, those who push the narrative so heavily in favour of the right regardless of the individual democrats actions. Those who intentionally undermine education and control information such that false narratives can prevail.
But it is also naive to act like the DNC was entirely without fault. There can be multiple parties at fault. They need to meet people where they are at, otherwise they won’t get anywhere.
They already believe themselves to be justified and have had their consent manufactured over a long time. As evidenced by the fact that they feel righteous in the Jan 6 attempt, and are responsible for most terrorism.
Well fair but I meant in the sense of, you either co-opt the Democrat party, or make a new one.
There isn’t an in-between, and the new one might lose at first, but that’s the case with every new party in every country.
Showing the other parties your politics draw votes will pull their politics towards yours.
Not to mention that if you don’t immediately give up after on election cycle, but continue to do politics outside of the season and into next, you will carve out a larger and larger portion of the base.