I recently tried to explain to Lemmy that non-white working class voters see their social program as weird and off putting. I was downvoted to oblivion just for honestly relating an opinion from people these chronically online “allies” would never hear from, because they simply don’t associate with seamstresses/fruit packers/construction site crossing guards etc. Not to mention the majority of these folks can’t speak any language but English.

Tell my Chilean wife how she is going to make more money tomorrow than she did today and she will listen. Tell her she is a bigot because she believes that it takes more than “feeling like” a women to actually “be” a woman and she will stop listening. That is what just happened here.

I am from a different cultural context than her and I tend to believe what the people who study these issues have to say ie: gender affirming care saves lives. But to say that this one issue determines a persons entry or exclusion from our ever shrinking tent is political suicide, no matter how much we might wish that wasn’t the case.

I am quoting a reply to me from above, let alone the obvious implication of the phrase “thanks for proving my point” from OP.

No one wants to hear this, but it’s pretty much only educated white and black folks that believe in the social program that has been floated by the democrats the last few elections. The country is a lot more diverse than that and South Asian, East Asian and Latino folks are largely what this site would call bigots.

just pointing out that in no time at all I was implied to be a danger to women based on my comment.

“Perhaps not, but as a woman your response to this post nevertheless makes me view you as unsafe.”

wow, that didn’t take long did it?

RIght, my criticism of our anti fascist political strategy obviously means I’m a menace to women. I should inform my wife.

Yeah I’m “butthurt” that the worlds most powerful “democracy” just elected a fascist. What are you 12?

edit: I disagree with the mod action above. People should be able to see how infantile the conversation has become and maybe reflect on how we got here.

Funnily enough, my disagreeing with you doesn’t make me a rapist or a sexual assailant

Let’s just keep shitting on men collectively, surely that will help!

Looks to me like it’s completely the opposite energy, that is self aware and self deprecating.

estan las palabras al cancion favorita de mi esposa, I’m not even a little bit latino. Just can’t get those two songs out of my head.

Si eres latino, saca tu bandera

Tengo tengo tengo en mi alma ritmo ritmo ritmo y calor

George Bush, great president, or the greatest president?

I live in Canada and am not a US citizen and somehow I receive requests addressed to someone named Buck to support Ted Cruz.

Ask the Rohingya

Why We’re Capitalizing Bajor

The Times has changed its style on the term’s usage to better reflect a shared cultural identity. Here’s what led to that decision…

Zappa was no hippy

Thus is a holdover from half remembered lessons on Plato I guess. Socrates is contrasted with the rhetoricians as seeking Truth, a noumenal thing beyond us that we discover (or recall as Socrates would put it). The rhetoricians representative Gorgias has his argument famously summed up as “man is the measure of all things”, that is to say that nothing is either good or bad but thinking makes it so.

Rhetoricians famously taught people how to convince others of their point of view, essentially modern debate technique. Socrates undermined this practice by pointing out that the skills employed (tone of voice, rhythm, eloquence) had nothing to do with determining truth.

With this argument in mind we can see why “rhetoric” is now used as a shorthand for emotional appeals, or style over substance. Rhetoric is what you rely on when you cannot make a structured and logical argument, while in theory the truth is the truth even if delivered in a dull monotone of limited vocabulary.

Remember when they AId Harris as a demon and she the result looked hot as fuck