Peace and love fellow slrpnk

Oh shit. Absolutely my bad for confusing the names. I do deeply apologize.

I doubt it would have been if you started off immediately denying decades of science. The entire reason we are going through global climate change is overproduction and the pollution caused by it.

You then make excuses towards the owning class that their overproduction is “accidental” and “punished by shareholders” which is an absolutely wild claim to make.

Following that you demonstrate a lack of basic understanding of economics and how profit margins work, that products are priced multiples of their production costs to ensure that even if only a fraction sells the company remains profitable in the long run. Loss is a thing in projections. They anticipate that a percentage of their product will not sell. It’s called shrink.

You then go on to try assigning blame onto individuals instead of understanding that this is something that is systemic in nature. It is an archaic, draconic mentality that is utterly infeasible of a strategy when you have even a basic understanding of sociology and human psychology. Which I am not equipped to tutor you in.

You then end it with a lackadaisical insulting of my argument by just calling it “lazy” for engaging in a critical analysis of the systems which control our lives.

Sorry, but if that’s how you argue, there is nothing constructive that will come out of that conversation. I’m just gonna get angry arguing with someone who clearly lacks education that I am ill equipped to provide. My degree is in wildlife conservation and ecological science, not education. I’m no teacher. I couldn’t hack it even if I wanted to.

They’re not overproducing

Lol okay. Sure buddy. Not even gonna bother reading the rest if you’re gonna go with this off rip.

Wow, you are truly clueless

The science is available for you to double check the math and methods. Go do that and show us your findings if you dispute the results instead of baselessly assuming it isn’t true because it doesn’t fit your preconceived assumptions.

No one is holding a gun to the owners of industry and forcing them to over produce. People can only buy what is available to them. The onus of responsibility is on the producers to produce sustainability, not for consumers to not buy their products and hope that producers change. Especially under the current system where there is no alternative means for consumers to acquire their goods or services, as the means of production are currently privately owned by the bourgeois.

People need things. People will have to buy things that are available. Systemic forces dictate what they can afford and what is convenient for them. Asking people to go without is not a feasible request to ask of millions of individuals when the alternative is making a minority of a few hundred owners cut the bullshit.

Your position is incredibly ignorant to the systemic forces behind why industry is the way it is. Industry induces demand through public manipulation and media, as well as through infrastructure and other systemic forces that dictate people’s lives. Industry will still create things because just being on a shelf is a chance for profit, even if people don’t buy it. They KNOW most of their product gets trashed but they don’t care because it is still profitable to do so and the system will always ensure that it is profitable at the expense of everyone else through the suppression of wages and working conditions if sales don’t meet expectations.

You do know that, in the US alone, we throw away up to 40% of our food supply annually because it goes bad on store shelves? Been this way for decades but we still have egregious issues with the food production industry being a major contributor for the climate crisis. Your suggestion of forcing the responsibility onto consumer is just unreasonable and proven not to be effective.

So, to your question, who should be assigned the CO2 credits for the production of a product? Obviously, it should be the producers not the consumer.

Cool story, thanks for highlighting you know diddly squat about political theory and alternative ideologies.

“Guys, why can’t we compromise, let’s find a balance with the people who want total, private control over the means by which to survive and build a society so they can personally enrich themselves from artificially created scarcity.”

This is you right now.

basically own their budget if you know how to make them think your idea was their idea, and its not hard at all to do that.

Had entire classes in college on how to do this for my wildlife conservation degree. This is essentially the core of our political system. This is how all legislation gets passed at the local levels.

Unfortunately, those of us who give a shit aren’t the only ones doing this and the opposition plays the easy card by enabling their internal biases instead of trying to course correct them.

Can’t put things in place to prevent Nazis and other fascist sects from rising to power when the systems that dictate our lives fundamentally enable said fascism in the first place.

Yes. Capitalist Imperialism is only marginally better than Fascism. It enables the rise of the other, afterall.

Good, this society deserves to collapse. It is fundamentally oppressive and exploitative.

It’s naive to believe that this is anything aberrant to begin with.

They have been setting up this stage since the fucking New Deal made concessions to the working class to stymie a growing threat of working class revolt. Not even a few years later they enacted Taft-Hartley and began dismantling union power.

There was a slight resurgence of working class action during the Civil Rights movement but unfortunately that was all co-opted by the establishment in order to keep the working class divided.

The Gilded Age rober barons were pissed they lost their fiefdoms and then began to systematically claw it back from the people ever since.

If your system has allowed itself to devolve into “vote for my slightly less oppressive status quo or else you get abject oppression” then you kinda have to begin admitting the entire system is folly and needs to be dismantled.

You seriously just didn’t understand a word I said.

You are still thinking those systems would exist as they currently do. That’s the entire problem.

How do you stop people from taking advantage of police and military positions? By abolishing those systems and replacing them with one that isn’t built on hierarchical authority.

You abolish the system of electoralism that is fundamentally hierarchical and replace it with an entirely different systemic structure.

Please for the love of God educate yourself on different political systems and ideologies. You limit yourself by staying ignorant.

And here is the thing, what I’m proposing is still inevitably going to lead to violence. It’s just a fact that the current authority will retaliate to oppress us if we begin to build alternatives to their authority. But we have to build those alternatives before we remove the current one, otherwise what comes after will just be worse than before.

People get mad when I say the US is a paper tiger but the only reason we have such a huge military budget is because of R&D that goes nowhere by a bunch of private companies siphoning government funds plus a fuck ton of military bases that need maintenance funds to give the appearance of having a large military force.

In reality our tech is years behind that of other countries.

Naive to think it is movement towards the light and not just a simple refusal to go deeper into darkness.

She isn’t becoming a better person. She isn’t “seeing the light”. She is just trying to save her own skin.

You get rid of the fascists by dismantling the systemic structures that allows them to obtain power of authority over others. You do that by educating others and getting them to disobey the current system in favor of something new.

The entire basis of authoritarian power is people “just following orders” of the established authority. If the fascists can’t obtain systemic power of authority to order others around in the first place then they have no ability to engage in their systemic oppression because those who they try to dictate the actions of will be empowered to tell them to go fuck themselves.

Violence is the basis for all hierarchical authority, which is every modern day imperialist country.

You either bend to their order or they will engage in violence against you until you concede obedience.

Some have made concessions to those of the lower classes but fundamentally they still hold all the power of authority over who is or isn’t “entitled” to access of basic necessities. If we ever buck that authority, the state will always engage in systemic violence against us to maintain that authority.

Pretty obvious to anyone who understands politics.

Ever since “libertarians” started using the Gadsden Flag, it’s been pretty obvious they would simp for a authoritarian police state, since they are idiots who follow an oxymoronic ideology known as “anarcho”-capitalism (hint: capitalism fundamentally cannot be Anarchist)

We all knew they were just idiots who were fooled into idolizing the Gilded Age of Capitalism; conned into thinking they will be the robber barons and not the abused workers in the sweat shops.