The turnout was really high, the democrats main plan for this election was catering to the “moderate republicans” which backfired spectacularly (a smaller % of registered republicans voted for democrats than in 2020), left-wing was pretty much abandoned in the campaign… It’s a horror all around, and the democratic party only have themselves to blame for this blunder instead of trying to point fingers at literally everything (so far I’ve seen blame thrown on LGBTQ+, Biden, Kamala’s aides, left wing voters, etc).

There goes the trust in US institutions for even more people.

So a lot more people would vote Trump if the only thing that changed in their policy was the stance on abortion? That’s disappointing, considering the policies and the plan of Project 2025.

I wonder what would happen is this plan is successful and Trump actually gets the “technical win” - will the Democrats just give up the White House like that, will they refuse because Reps are playing dirty or will Democrats riot in the street? I’m actually curious if there’s any good option to fight back that isn’t “stop it before it happens”.

Can’t say I haven’t seen the conflict used as propaganda to encourage not voting - that does exist and it’s counterproductive assuming there’s no massive direct action campaigns going on at the same time (which would probably have to be something massive, something akin to a left’s version of January 6th).

That being said, how is criticizing Kamala about her stance on Israel a bad faith criticism? I genuinely do not understand - there’s a literal genocide going on there being committed by Israel, with Palestinians being deliberately starved, bombed and Gaza being mostly rubble by now. Aggression is being shown to their neighbors now as well with the conflict being escalated by Israel, and US directly supports both of these horrible events.

What’s happening right now in Gaza is akin to the holocaust, at least according to some historians specializing in the field, and just handwaving it as some non-issue that will be forgotten just to protect your preferred political candidate from any kind of criticism is just sad.

If US stopped sending billions in weapons for Israel to kill whoever their current target is, that would be a huge blow to the whole ‘conflict’ (as in, a colonial genocide). Neither of the candidates are willing to do anything of the sort though - Kamala has pledged to continue supporting Israel while Trump has pledged to give all the support Israel needs to ‘finish the job quickly’.

And while yes, there’s nuance to be found like with literally everything in the world, it’s not a reason to dismiss any criticisms thrown at your preferred candidate.

It’s a place created as a home for jews pretty much by antisemites, with the main idea being “we’re okay with jews but only if they’re not in our country”.

There’s a lot of fascinating history about the creation of Israel by antisemites that you can find, but the gist is that zionism and antisemitism often go hand in hand, and it seems this has not really changed.

Also notice how people online who go out of their way to “own the libs” and who also say they don’t care about politics (or are neutral) never go after conservatives, even though they’re often much funnier to ‘own’.

I kinda get the accelerationist-like game plan conservatives are doing here (voting down funding and then blaming the other political side), but it’s just so evil considering that alternative options would actually help people and achieve the same effect.

Vote for relief funding, maybe do some “helping” for press photos to look good, spend some billionaire money that conservatives aren’t lacking for fundraisers then boast about it, calling democrats and current administration ineffective. Same result but it might save lives with the added bonus that nobody can call you out on lying.

Is it really so hard to do some good every once in a while? It really feels like conservatives are allergic to morally good deeds.

I’m curious how many houses/apartments are unused in the US, acting as a speculative asset and if building more is even necessary.

Wonder if this is real or just ragebait, really can’t be sure in the current day lmao

Yeah, though there’s also the phenomena of older folks generally being more against change and clinging in the past more, the idea being that you have less future to look forward to (since you’re closer to death than your birth) so instead you look towards the past and become nostalgic about it.

Calling democrats “Blue MAGA”, at least currently is a stretch and a half since there is still a sizeable difference between the parties, but yeah - current democrats are getting real close to pre-2000’s republicans in everything except few policies.

As you have correctly pointed out, a lot of the American liberals are unquestionably supporting Kamala no matter what she does, and it’s just so frustrating to see. People can support and vote for a party but also be critical of it much like how you can have your favorite video game and have gripes with it that you hope could have been fixed, but I guess that’s taking a backseat in favour of “politics as team sports” where the only thing that matters is beating the other side.

That being said, choosing not to vote for dems because of this is stupid - even if democrats aren’t going to shift back to center, it’s a much better alternative for the average person (foreign or otherwise) than Trump becoming the dictator. Though I worry about the future of US politics - republicans who stay with Trump are numerous, and once he’s gone then another alt-right populist is going to come, one who’s even worse than Trump (while being younger and more lucid), and there is no guarantee democrats are going to have Kamala 2 to steal the momentum back or even be able to fight them.

I swear, you could have Hitler reincarnate with Himmler as vice president looking exactly the same as how they looked like in WW2 and use the exact same rhetoric, and the current undecided voters would still be equally clueless on who to vote for, assuming they’re actually undecided and not “closeted conservative voter who doesn’t want to look bad”.

Far-left definitely isn’t that - “we’re gonna make sure everyone’s needs are met” is literally a general leftist thing. Assuming you’re trying to portray tankies and fascists, a more accurate depiction would be “we’re gonna make sure working class needs are met with an iron fist and extermination of anyone potentially rebellious”.

That being said, holy shit there are so many bad takes in this thread