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  • The core reason the joint German-Soviet Union invasion of Poland is relevant is it shows the Soviets working with the Nazis. You portray them as being the first and primary countries willing to fight the Nazis, yet they were literally partnering with the Nazis for years while others had declared war on them. It wasn’t until Germany invaded the Soviet Union that the Soviets switched teams.

    If that is a point we can’t agree on, then there isn’t much more going to happen here.

    Edit: going to just post the timeline again:

    1. 23 Aug 1939 - Germany and Soviet Union sign a non-agression pact

    2. 1 Sept 1939 - Germany invades Poland

    3. 3 Sept 1939 - France and UK declare war on Germany (Soviets still have a non-aggression pact with Germany)

    4. 17 Sept 1939 - Soviet Union invades Poland (Soviets still have a non-aggression pact with Germany)

    5. 10 May 1940 - Germany invades France (Soviets still have a non-aggression pact with Germany)

    6. 22 Jun 1941 - Germany invades the Soviet Union and the non-agression pact between the Soviets and Germans is terminated


  • Should European countries have just sat on their ass and let Hitler do whatever he wanted?

    They kinda did and that’s entirely my point: capitalist nations won’t do much to fight fascism. World War 2 wasn’t won by capitalist western-style democracies, it was communists, 80% of Nazi soldiers were defeated in the Eastern front!

    Timeline:

    1. 23 Aug 1939 - Germany and Soviet Union sign a non-agression pact

    2. 1 Sept 1939 - Germany invades Poland

    3. 3 Sept 1939 - France and UK declare war on Germany (Soviets still have a non-aggression pact with Germany)

    4. 17 Sept 1939 - Soviet Union invades Poland (Soviets still have a non-aggression pact with Germany)

    5. 10 May 1940 - Germany invades France (Soviets still have a non-aggression pact with Germany)

    6. 22 Jun 1941 - Germany invades the Soviet Union and the non-agression pact between the Soviets and Germans is terminated

    No, you don’t get to say countries like England “won’t do much to fight fascism”, despite being at war with Germany for years, while praising the Soviets, despite having a non-agressin pact with Germany for those same years

    provided the Red Army would be able to cross Polish and Romanian territory; both countries refused

    It’s not surprising Poland didn’t want Soviet troops in their country, the Soviets literally invaded them shortly later.

    Soviets were BY FAR the most antifascist country in Europe

    Again, England and France declared war on Germany in 1939, and for those two years England was at war with Germany, the Soviets had a non-agression pact. No, you don’t get to be “by far” the most of something when others beat you out by two years.

    The Soviets didn’t invade what we think of when we say Poland.

    the rest of lands were actually liberated from Polish occupation and returned to the Ukrainian, Belarusian and Lithuanian socialist republics

    Correct, they were annexed into the Soviet Union. Much liberation by the Soviets there! These countries weren’t free until FIVE DECADES LATER when the Soviet Union fell.

    The Soviets didn’t invade Poland together with the Nazis, they invaded a bit more than two weeks after the Nazi invasion

    Germany and the Soviet Union literally agreed to partition Poland between the two of them as part of their non-aggression pact signed before either invaded Poland. Don’t downplay what the Soviets did here.

    the Soviets were fully aware of the dangers of Nazism and fought against it earlier than anyone

    France and the UK declared war on Germany in 1939, the Soviet Union had a non-agression pact with Germany for TWO MORE YEARS. Come now, claiming the Soviets were fighting against Nazism before England just makes you look bad. These are easy to look up dates.

    I know you are bringing up the Spanish Civil War here, but that was vastly overshadowed by their non-agression pact and mutual invasion of Poland with Germany.


    The overarching point here is you seem to be doing quite a bit of apologizing for the bad shit the Soviet Union did. It’s quite honest to say the Soviets fought against the Germans in WWII, but it’s not honest to say they were doing it before anyone else or to downplay them working with the Germans by mutually invading Poland. Both are true, and and honest look at history includes both the good things and the bad things the Soviet Union did in WWII.



  • I can’t remember one single time in which European nations have armed themselves and used their armies for a good cause

    World War 2

    Should European countries have just sat on their ass and let Hitler do whatever he wanted? They actually tried that, the Peace For Our Time declaration in 1938 made by England after Hitler took over large parts of Czechoslovakia. Then Hitler did what always happens when a dictator is appeased, they go for more…and invaded Poland with the Soviet Union’s help.

    Quite a few European countries armed themselves and used their armies for a good cause in that war. Unless you don’t consider stopping Hitler and the Holocaust a good cause.


    Bringing it back to modern day, this is Putin’s second invasion of Ukraine. Appeasing dictators does not work, again this is Putin’s second invasion of Ukraine. Dictators only understand force; force must be met with force; force is being met with force.



  • These things should not be directly associated with work

    Unfortunately for humanity, food, shelter, and transportation doesn’t place itself in front of you. People have to work to make/gather those things.

    • I would also love to live in a place where nobody had to work in order for shelter to exist. But, someone has to work to build the home.

    • I would love to live in a place where nobody had to work for food to exist. But someone has to grow and gather the food.

    • I would love to live in a place where nobody had to work for cars/trains to exist, but someone has to work to build the car.

    Other economic systems can exist.

    And in those systems, people will still be working for food, shelter, transportation. People like being paid for their work.





  • If that ‘proxy system’ was a measure of value you could easily exchange for goods and services, it would also be money. People invent money in every society because it just makes sense. Even in societies where they try to abolish money, money is instantly re-invented using some other measure because it is so damn useful for trade.


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    So sure, people want to be paid. But let’s be clear: they don’t inherently want money, they want to survive, create, and ideally thrive in the society they inhabit. Capital is just the tool we happen to use right now, it’s not essential to the concept of creation.

    Money existed long before modern systems, too. Bartering an exchange of goods for other goods sucks ass. It was almost immediately swapped out for some form of money in basically every society in history. (And to be clear, ‘money’ doesn’t just mean a coin or bill, it was often a standard, easy to exchange good the society agreed upon, such as a grain or a precious metal.)

    they don’t inherently want money

    Let me ask you, if you work for a company that makes washers (the things one pairs with bolts), and your employer offered to pay you every paycheck completely in washers, would you find that acceptable? Or would you demand something easier to work with, would you demand your services be rewarded with money instead?

    they don’t inherently want money

    I bet you don’t get paid in fucking washers, you demand payment in money.




  • Yeah, that is my standard way of doing things. Old desktop becomes the server, and it’s specs blow everything I want it to do out of the water, so things like file storage (and the CPU required to encrypt-on-disk), etc have no chance of ever presenting an issue. Though, I do have a pair of Pis with POE hats on them (as well as a POE switch), because I really like POE.

    Then I set it up for auto-updates and proceed to ignore it. Love very simple home networking setups that still accomplish every goal.

    The dedicated NAS appliances really annoy me. Every time I have had to use one I just think ‘I can just do this in Linux on any random desktop lying around, why am I learning another proprietary thing?’