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He also tweeted a few hours ago that he’s thinking of starting a new political party (for the 80%?). Imagine if he Ross-Perots the next election. Either that or he becomes so petty he starts primary-ing Trump supporters in the House. He has a lot of options. Though I don’t expect much is gonna come out of it. Probably throw a few more shots to Trump to repair Tesla’s image and take a break from politics.

I never said it does outweigh. And I had a similar discussion with another commenter in this thread about the churches redemption that I don’t feel like repeating here.

Anyways, surely youve heard of the saying, throwing the baby out with the bathwater, correct? That is what the previous poster was doing, refusing to acknowledge any recent good in the concept of religion as a whole not just Christianity. Misali Island, Sikh soup kitchens and the satanic temples lawsuits are examples of good done by religion.

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So you didn’t read a single thing I wrote and didnt acknowledge the other reply to you? Alright.

Yeah I guess the soup kitchens, services for the poor, rehabilitation programs, the red cross / crescent, support networks, salvation army, the Catholic Climate Covenant, nature reserves like Misali Island and civil right religious organizations like the Satanic Temple have had their day too.

Oh yeah, the church isn’t perfect, what they did to Sinead was completely uncalled for. They should have acknowledged her and started excommunicating the priests responsible. I’m just still of the opinion that the church can be fixed as opposed to just abandoning it. That’s about I think where we differ. Hell, there was a point where the church had a brothel in it! So it’s come a long way since then. Still not perfect. My hope is that incremental changes can make it better. Make it to a point where good completely outweighs the bad and even if not, the earliest form of Christianity didn’t necessarily have a central governing authority, so long as individual Christians keep the message that is still good.

I thought he should. I should have specified the tradcath movement and by that I mean like if you go to Twitter or related platforms you get these people claiming to be catholic and stating that they are tradcaths, some idealized version of a catholic that believes in ‘traditional values’ and just general MRA, incel stuff that otherwise never ever made sense in catholicism. And then you have plenty of leaders in the States that repeatedly claim to be Christian or just outright make up stuff and pretend like their idealogy is completely approved by the Vatican (or they are just so ignorant they just assume all Christians follow the same ideaology). Paula White and JD Vance are a good examples of this.

It’s just that there’s a growing blurring in the States of Protestantism, Teleevangelism and Catholicism that I think the pope should have addressed.

One thing I really think the he should have done more was criticize the American version of Christianity. It’s divorced so much even from Protestantism that it should be called out. That one of the candidates to replace him is from the Philippines it will hopefully throw a wrench into the more racist aspects of it.

I have replied with a long post to another comment in this thread stating some of the things he did.

I’m just going to ramble so sorry if it’s a little incoherent.

One of the most progressive popes in recent memory. He continuously stayed in touch with the parishioners in Gaza and continously spoke out against the genocide, even on his deathbed he kept in touch with them, he encouraged Marxists and Catholics by becoming the first pope to outright acknowledge the similarities in Marxism and Christianity (doing so many times over the years), he replaced about 80% of the current cardinals with ones more progressive like he, hopefully solidifying his message and became the first ever pope to apologize and start to reconcile the relationships with the indengeious Canadians and what the church did to them with residential schools.

He encouraged unity between the Catholic and Orthodox churches, by working out and having both churches celebrate easter for the first time since the schism over 1000 years ago, helping to mend the churches possibly even more so than Ecumenism. He was one of the only public figures actually talking about the genocide in Darfur.

He was a proponent of LGBT peoples in the church. Definitely not on the same level as some progressive but he was the first pope to allow a LGBT+ advocacy group (Jonathan’s Tent) and give them spotlight, even giving them their own events in the calendar, also changing the direction of the church’s opinion on the LGBT community.

He was quite often criticized by conservatives as a socialist and Marxist but really he was just following the doctrine. He also had views on refugees and migrants that I can’t recall exactly right now. With regards to the sexual abuse scandals that rocked the church in the 90s (rip Sinead o’ Connor), he toughened the canon law to further go after the priests responsible. I recall he either fired or excommunicated some priests involved in the scandal but I can’t recall atm. Imo, he should have gone farther on it but it was as a start.

I think he should have railed a little harder against the American televangelists and the American tradcath movement but there are Christian groups doing that on their own (like the Trinity Foundation). He wasn’t perfect by all means. There were homes demolished during his visit in Timor-Leste and people displaced and he excommunicated Carlo Maria Viganò but when comparing him against the previous popes he left behind a tremendous legacy.

He is also the only pope to release a prog rock album.

Sure, if you ignore the centuries of medical, mathematical and scientific research religion directly caused. From Islamic scholars to Catholic scientists who discovered genetics and concepts like the big bang. Don’t worry, you’ll grow up one day and realize the purpose of religion isn’t so black and white.

Man I’m gonna miss him. Dude was a damn legend and the stuff he accomplished was nothing short if amazing.

Its possible. There’s nobody I can see who could lead the party at this point? Gavin Newsom? He’s a DINO.