This is very true. By no means are they perfect and they still stick a bit too hard to voting for any Republican candidate but they do dislike Trump’s schtick more than most.

Very true about the SLC area, but they’ve done a very good job of keeping the rest of the state pointed in a… different direction.

You misunderstand, it is already massively gerrymandered and I’m certainly glad it’s not getting worse, but it’s already a very broken state politically.

Oh agreed completely, I’m just cynical about Utah politics from living here so many years.

Yeah to be fair Utah is already so gerrymandered it won’t make much difference.

In this scenario can I be pathetically neglected infrastructure the goths need to rebuild?

I’m gonna have to disagree that they are the same. Unconditional surrender, occupation of an opposing force, then negotiation to recover leadership of your own territory is not the same as a negotiated cease fire.