not sure if this is trying to say that everyone who died at the hands of Communists™ weren’t people, didn’t have souls, or were just universally evil and went to the Bad Place and therefore deserved it, but whichever way, it doesn’t seem like a good look.

yeah, but of that was the case, they shouldn’t have included the invasion if korea in 598, which predates the formation of the PRC by over 1300 years.

yeah, i think this is relying pretty heavily on people’s ignorance of china’s history to seem even remotely believable. idk why they feel the need to lie anyway, cause china’s record in the modern day is still undeniably better than the US’s.

i know who the rock is, but that doesn’t help me get whatever joke may or may not be happening here.

i wonder if this would be funny if i recognized the image.

lol i feel like i’ve been suddenly cast into an argument i didn’t realize was gonna happen, nor do i understand why i’ve been roped into it. i did not say, nor mean to imply that i thought you were denying the famine happened. you very clearly stated that you thought no one believes that it didn’t happen. i was just pointing out that in fact, some do. my first comment was in response to bubblybubbles, trying to figure out their take. you may think no one would deny that the famine happened, but it seemed like bubbles might think we’re both gullible rubes for thinking it did.

i also rather object to your ‘very narrow frame of view’ comment. that was just uncalled for. and for what? because i’m trying to learn about stuff and am willing to admit i don’t know everything?

some do, actually.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_denial

it seems like the arguments that it was a genocide hinge on more than just the famine itself. a lot of people consider genocide to encompass more than just murdering people, but also the targeted destruction of a people’s culture.

from what i’ve read, if the famine wasn’t deliberately engineered, then it was certainly a world-class bungle, where stalin et al made consistently stupid decisions that made the situation worse. they didn’t need to enact and enforce laws preventing people from gathering leftover grain left in the fields. they didn’t need to prevent starving people from leaving their home towns in search of better conditions. they didn’t need to focus on exporting food while their own people resorted to cannibalism. they didn’t need to demand so much tribute, even going door to door taking food from people’s cupboards, and taking from the seeds set aside for next years planting.

i can totally get suspecting malice, rather than accepting that that level of incompetence was genuine. while i haven’t personally studied the subject enough to have any concrete conclusions, the genocide question seems less cut and dry than you make it out to be.

debunked? are you arguing that it wasn’t a genocide, or are you suggesting it straight up didn’t happen?

that is a very high bar, as they say in the limbo biz.

the composer?

i mean, if i was the referee, and they weren’t in that architecturally precarious situation, i’d think that’s a mighty fine solution to the puzzle, actually.

if you feel that way, i gotta ask, why are you here, instead of reddit, or facebook, or something?

if the invasion isn’t the commonly understood cause and justification for the war then i have no idea what might be.

just not sure what “they” are claiming beyond that (or who “they” is meant to refer to, for that matter), but the comparison to iraq, afghanistan, vietnam, etc. made me guess the op was claiming that the commonly understood cause and justification of the war was false.

oooh, conspiracy slop, neat. 📷

(in all seriousness though, is this post trying to suggest that russia didn’t actually invade ukraine?)

i reckon it’s about this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_conflict